Socialist Fight has expelled Ian Donovan

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20/02/2020 by socialistfight

Mussolini-Strasserite fascist Gilad Atzmon speaks the same language as Mussoulini, almost word for word.

Socialist Fight has expelled Ian Donovan and his ‘Trotskyist Faction’ from the group at its meeting of 19 February by a unanimous vote. They were expelled for antisemitism and support for the racist, antisemitic and left Mussolini-Strasserite fascist Gilad Atzmon. The following quotes from Atzmon make clear his fascist sympathies:

“Fascism is a simple principle that adhere to equality within strict boundaries. It has nothing to do with imperialism or dominance of other people.” [1]

And:

We have to ask ourselves what motivates American Jews to gain such political power. Is it a genuine care for American interests? Since America currently enjoys the status of the world’s only super power and since all the Jews listed above declare themselves as devoted Zionists, we must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously … American Jewry makes any debate on whether the ‘Protocols of the elder of Zion’ are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews do try to control the world, by proxy. [2]

And Ian Donovan agree with this fascistic nonsense in the following quote:

“And we should regard ‘Friends of Israel’ the way earlier generations regarded ‘friends’ of Hitler and the Third Reich. Political Zionism is racism and organised political Zionism equals racist terrorism equals fascism.” [3]

Gilad Atzmon wrote on Devon Nola’s 8th September Facebook thread:

“save me and the rest of us of your cosmopolitan working class revolutionary crap”

Having rejected revolutionary internationalist socialism so forthrightly he indicated his support for fascism in no less a forthright manner:

“Fascism, I believe, more than any other ideology, deserves our attention, as it was an attempt to integrate Left and Right: the dream and the concrete into a unified political system. … It was “overwhelmingly popular and productive for a while because it managed to bridge the abyss between the ‘fantasy’ and the ‘actual.’” And it is to our detriment that, in the “post-WWII ‘liberal’ intellectual climate, it is politically impossible to examine fascism and ‘National Socialism’ from an impartial theoretical or philosophical perspective… stifling honest examination of National Socialism has left open the question of whether the problems of global capitalism may be alleviated by combining socialism with nationalism (my emphasis).” [4]

Here he declared himself a fascist. As these arguments developed it became clear Ian had developed a full blown ideological outlook in lockstep with Atzmon. Subsequent arguments saw Ian defend Atzmon’s admiration for Ku Klux Klan man David Duke. He wrote to me on Facebook:

“If you understood why Political Zionism is worse than Apartheid and Jim Crow you might gain some insight. Clue: read Moshe Machover on different types of settler colonialism. If you understand that, you might understand why (Alan) Dershowitz (arch Zionist) is worse than David Duke. Some forms of colonialism are genocidal. Some are not.”

This really is beyond the bounds. South African Apartheid leaders and the Ku Klux Klan are not as bad as the Zionists, so it is ok to ally with them against the Zionists ideologically as Atzmon does in pursuit of his antisemitic and fascistic ideas???

The defence of Devon Nola and Gilad Atzmon and the Rothschild anti-Semitic trope is a lying piece of far right apologia. Because Nola and Atzmon condemned the Russian Revolution itself and the condemnation of it as a Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy, “with its obvious Jewish input” is to repeat the White Armies and Nazis propaganda. At it certainly was not the “many bloody crimes that flowed from the degeneration of the revolution” that upset the pair. Because he supported Stalin against Trotsky (“your hero”) and agreed with Stalin’s antisemitic repression of Jews. See their actual words in our Statement:

Devon Nola:

“actually, nothing here is propaganda. Bolshevism was a Jewish-led form of government, and we can delve into what caused anti-Jewish sentiment pre-Bolshevism.”

Gilad Atzmon:

The fact that Stalin turned against the Jews is known to everyone here.. I do believe that Stalin insisted eventually to give Russia back to the Russians and this clearly made some ppl upset … it certainly explains Stalin’s paranoia ,, he knew what he was up against ,.”

So to clarify. Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolsheviks were absolute bastards because they stopped Tsarist and White Armies pogrom against the Jews according to Nola. Stalin was restoring Russia to the Russians by getting rid of the Jews, because “he knew what he was up against” according to Atzmon. [5]

And Gerry Downing’s mad ideas that the problem is imperialism itself and not “the Jews” is totally ridiculous, Ian claims. And to cap it all Ian contemptuously rejects my assertion of the obvious, “Netanyahu is Trump’s puppet, not the other way around.” “That is contracted by reality” he says. He goes on to prove to his own satisfaction, and presumably also to the satisfaction of his faction, that it is the Jewish Zionism bourgeoisie who rule the world. There is no other conclusion we can draw from his stance.

HORRIBLE AND OFFENSIVE: The image of Hitler which quoted a speech from the fledgling Nazi leader

Socialist Fight supporter Gareth Martin made the following comments Facebook on 20 Feb 2020:

Ian Donovan: You “obviously” don’t? Who, pray tell, would that be “obvious” to? “Cultural Marxism” = Kulturbolschewismus, itself a Nazi antisemitic conspiracy theory. Seeing as you believe every other one of Atzmons other Fascist and antisemitic conspiracy theories, why would anyone expect you to not believe this one?

If you DON’T believe it, then Atzmon’s blatant repetition of Nazi conspiracy theory should be obvious to you, and also horrifying. This is all just the dolchstoßlegende with marginally different wording.

All the rest is so much bullshit evasion. Either you agree with Atzmon and Mussolini that Fascism resolves the class war, or you don’t. Either you believe a “Jewish will to power” is undermining motherhood and apple pie, or you don’t. Either you “hate the Jew I myself and despise the Jew in you” or you don’t.

Who else thinks what is utterly irrelevant and nothing but distraction? If YOU articulate these positions, then YOU have to own them. If you want to cuddle up to someone who believes this racist garbage, then YOU have to own that. This is pure racist garbage and I will not endorse it in any way, shape or form. Nor will I have anything to do with anyone who does.

None of this is in any doubt. Atzmon’s association with far right sites, his positive reviews from David Duke, even his covering for Richard “Alt-Right” Spencer, give the game away obviously and immediately. If I had any inkling all this shit was lurking in your outfit, I would have had nothing to do with any of you. I left the fucking country I grew up in to get away from this shit, and I will make no compromises with either racism or Fascism.

Where we stand now on antisemitism

We now repudiate the use of the term “the world ‘Jewish-Zionist bourgeoisie’” and the whole notion of a Jewish-Zionist imperialist vanguard as antisemitic tropes. We will in future use the term “Zionism” alone in describing the political tendency within the Jewish ethnicity that commits such dreadful crimes under international law against the Palestinian citizens of Israel and those expelled Palestinians primarily in 1948, ‘67 and ‘73, all of whom have the right of return.

This in order to distinguish the right wing Israeli government under Netanyahu and its international supporters from all anti-Zionist Jews and Jews who strongly defend the right of the Palestinians under international law. Nor do we now agree that it is appropriate to continually refer to Jews such as Henry Kissinger and Milton Friedman as “overrepresented among the most strident spokespeople for capitalist reaction” without openly recognising that they are doing so primarily as representative of the interests of imperialist capitalism as in the Pinochet coup in Chile against Allende in 1973 and not as any separate Jewish influence or conspiracy.

Although The Jewish Chronicle and The Times of Israel frequently boasts of the wealth and influence of Jewish billionaires and right wing Zionist academics internationally it is completely wrong to conclude from this that these are acting in pursuit of a separate Jewish/Zionist communal conspiracy agenda and not primarily in their own interests and that of global capitalism and imperialism.

Ian demands that all Jews who support the state of Israel be expelled from the Labour party. My friend whom I have known for over 30 years supports the state of Israel because she lost many of her family in the Holocaust and she sees Israel as a place of refuge if the Holocaust should come again. She strongly opposes what Israel does to the Palestinians. To demand the expulsion of all such Jews from Labour would be an absolute gift to Zionism, to the Board of Deputies, the right wing of Labour and the whole capitalist establishment.

There will be big objections on whether we gave this group their democratic rights. Ian has long since rejected all democratic control. As Treasurer he has refused to admit new members with whom he does not agree, has rejected a long stranding member, saying his subscriptions were ‘donations’ and so he is not a member. He has personally abused members, GM is a “little white colonial boy” and so a racist and a Zionist supporter because he was born in South Africa, ED is a “Zionist infiltration” because she grew up with Jewish kids as neighbours and is as bad as Hilary Clinton and Jess Philip. Internationally our comrades in France (our supporter there took as sharp umbrage as I did to his defence of the Nietzsche, the ideologue so favoured by Mussolini and Hitler), Holland (our supporter immediately took up the cudgels against the bogus anti-Zionism which shaded over so fast into excuses for the far right)  and the US, (our supporter there was outraged at the excuses for the KKK man David Duke) have also bee vilely abused because they saw his bogus anti-Zionism from what it was as the struggle against his developed; capitulation to far rightist, fascists and holocaust  deniers.

I have acknowledged my own responsibility for the crisis in Socialist Fight in the document, On the Crisis in Socialist Fight and my own responsibility for it on 17 February 2020 here. [6]

Notes


[1] These quotes from Devon Nola and Gilad Atzmon come from the following Facebook sites:  

  1. Devon Nola’s Facebook site, 6 September 2019, https://www.facebook.com/devon.nola/posts/10157467087759481
  2. Gerry Downing’s Facebook site 8 September 2019, https://www.facebook.com/gerdowning/posts/10220730773007134
  3. Gerry Downing’s Facebook site 28 September 2019, https://www.facebook.com/gerdowning/posts/10220933157546621
  4. Gilad Atzmon, Zero Books; 30 Sept. 2011, The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics.
  5. David Duke, July 29, 2011 Letter to the Courageous Former Israeli Gilad Atzmon, ttps://davidduke.com/letter-to-the-courageous-former-israeli-gilad-atzmon/

[2] Gilad Atzmon, 20.12.2003 On Anti-Semitism, https://web.archive.org/web/20050213011436/http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/onanti.html

[3] https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=ian%20donovan&epa=SEARCH_BOX

[4] Gilad Atzmon writes on p. 26 et seq. of Being in Time:

[5] Socialist Fight statement on Gilad Atzmon, Devon Nola, Ian Greenhalgh of Veterans Today, anti-communism, racism and antisemitism 25-1-2020, https://socialistfight.com/2020/01/30/socialist-fight-statement-on-gilad-atzmon-devon-nola-ian-greenhalgh-of-veterans-today-anti-communism-racism-and-antisemitism-25-1-2020/

[6] On the Crisis in Socialist Fight and my own responsibility for it, 17-2-2020,  https://socialistfight.com/2020/02/17/on-the-crisis-in-socialist-fight-and-my-own-responsibility-for-it/

5 thoughts on “Socialist Fight has expelled Ian Donovan

  1. Ian says:

    This means nothing. Just Gerry buying votes in a manner that would get him expelled from Labour for corruption. And farting out of a stolen website. That’s all it is.

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  2. Ghost of Sven Gøllÿ says:

    “This means nothing.”

    Nonsense. It means that Socialist Fight took a peek behind your rhetorical curtain, was appalled by the open antisemitism it saw, and has collectively refused to be damaged by your crazed antisemitism one minute longer. As Ray Charles put it, hit the road, Jack. Although in this case maybe it would be “hit the road, jackboots.”

    Donovan’s expulsion is a victory for anti-racism and a defeat for antisemitism. Let no one try to maintain the delusion that Gilad Atzmon is still of the left, or ever really was.

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  3. Ghost of Sven Gøllÿ says:

    “It means Gerry nicked a website” … by a unanimous vote.

    The endless Donovan capacity for denial of reality continues apace.

    Throw a tantrum for us, Ian Shoutyman.

    Booked that alt-right podcast with Gilad Atzmon yet?

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  4. Ghost of Sven Gøllÿ says:

    “arf arf!” — that’s Ian Donovan’s farewell, barking mad and seeing saucers.

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  5. Talking about “those anti-Zionist Jews who defend Palestinian rights under international law” gives the game away. That bogus “international law” is Western imperialist “law” that under the stinking United Nations (stupidly backed by Stalinism) STOLE the land of the Palestinians and GAVE it to the fascist-colonial Zionist settlers who had crushed the resistance of the native population with blood-curdling terror in the Naqba.
    When Jews subscribe to such “laws” it is just to sanctify their “right” to this stolen land. It is still complete Zionism. Whatever “solution” is proposed – “one-state” or “two-state” – it is just an obstacle to ENDING the existence of “Israel” and that is proven by the endless shrinking of the land available to Palestinians, the further annexations and the continual slow genocide of the Palestinian people.
    There is nothing Marxist or revolutionary about backing the remit of such “laws”. All of Palestine belongs to the Palestinians.
    And they will get their land back, with the defeat of the imperialist system as it collapses into slump, war and fascism.

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